She hid, and downed it with one behind the ear at very close range, and followed up with five more (all the bullets she had) to make sure. coyote-wolf hybrids My advice would be take the largest caliber you can comfortably handle. I simply killed her with kindness, responding: for the same reason you dont buy bathroom tissue, one sheet at a time, MAMM. Hard cast is king. Something I doubt the 500 or 460 blunderbuss allows. With those animals ranging from 30 pounds to 1200 pounds, there is no single optimum caliber/bullet combination. Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. But again, as the species is protected, they were unable to carry out efforts to catch it. Gonna do that with a 45LC or .44 mag? Can mountain lions jump? All cats are rats. What would make a good companion piece [long gun] regardless of sidearm? Now I know, what to expect and what to carry. If I cant do it with that then I guess I was destined to lose that fight. You can keep the Roland! Funny how there is no mention of bear spray in all of this as it has to be the first option compared to killing and animal in whose domain you have wandered. So, perhaps .45 colt is NOT the best choice for a bear. Defensive purse swinging! A good .357 Magnum and I really like the Kimber K6s will definitely come in handy. Underwood now has a 230grain all copper extreme hunter load at 1700fps. It definitely works. She had gone out to get water and as she left she picked up her grandfathers .22 because up there you just never leave the cabin without a gun. Year later, shot a black bear same ammo, but out of a desert eagle way better results. Local dog hunters said lion are easy to kill and they use a 22lr pistol. The lion can then be shot and removed, or tranquilized and transplanted at least 300 miles (480 km) away. With a 5 inch un-ported barrel, 300 grain hard cast solids, cut an X on the point with a fine hack saw about 1/8 of an inch deep. Hollow points are better for stopping large game if you are pushing a fairly large bullet, 250 grain and larger, at fairly high velocity 1400 fps +the larger bullet with the higher velocity will give you enough penetration for the hollow point to do its job. I asked what type of Rifle he carried. In the melay to draw his weapon he had hit the magazine release and his magazine fell out. Carry big. ( nothin) lol. This article leaves folks thinking their 45 or 9mm or single action is excellent bear medicine the fact is they are just poor at best. Note on BLACK BEARS they have become highly predatory in Alaska. Yes I admit, Im a revolver person. More than half of those were fawns. It is all filled with a bias against firearms.. For College Campuses! Watch on. Also, for killing venomous snakes. They have been most noted in the mountains of California but had, at one time, been found across North and South America. The Inuit hunters would wait at a breathing hole in the ice. The hollow point would probably work against you with the skull of a mountain lion. Most rangers will tell you a $50. carry ! You could see he was definitely sizing [P.J] up, Smith said. The range of a Mountain Lion may cover 25 to 785 square miles. The Hodgden #25 manual does show loads for a 200-grain bullet using HS6, Trap100 and HP38 powders. What did you have I asked, he said he had a .454 Casull in a shoulder harness. BTW chest rig is way to go with X frame revolvers. into the Grizzly point blank range killing it. Grizzlies make mock charges; black bear do not or thats what the experts say. However, if you're going to deploy bear spray against a mountain lion, then you need to make sure of a few things. The Casull is an updated and slightly elongated version of the .45 Colt, fully capable of firing .45 Colt ammunition. The Complicated Truth About Mountain Lion Encroachment. A mountain lion was mauling her 5-year-old son in front of her. What can a .38 special kill? I have had to kill a couple Grizzlies, and have had numerous Mexican stand offs, over moose or caribou kills. Its a simple concept. For me, Id say whatever you have at the time is better than nothing. Predator animals act by instinct when challenged and hunt for food not to rob you or for the pleasure of killing you. Mountain lions can kill adult humans along with large mammals. Lighter, cheaper, and much better statistics than any conceivable 38spl load. Penetration is what is needed, no hollow points. HP ammo may be great for two legged predators, not so much for those with fourand large teeth! You will only have only one chance to prove fluffy wont kill you. They were highly experienced survivalists. You need to be able to kill a bear in a moments notice, most times a bear is just doing what they do , when suddenly a stupid hiker startles the wild animal and It sees you as a threat ! I often have to carry elk quarters out in the Bitteroot mountans, which is heavy populated with wolves, grizzly, black bear, and moose, all of which I have had numerous too close for comfort encounters where Ive had to draw down. I had a face off not far from lake Iliamna with that combo and would not have traded it for the world. You go first, Ill watch. The ultimate outcomeof this predatory performanceisn't clear, but watching a puma stalking a pair of bull elk makes for an unforgettable sighting. Full power 10mm anyone? I purchased the gun from the nephew of an Alaskan Guide who had to kill several large browns with this same revolver. Colorado Parks and Wildlife said the man, identified on Thursday as 31-year-old Travis Kauffman, is "recovering well" after the self-defense attack on Feb. 4. Same applies to the Redhawk if you insist on a DA. If I am packing meat, I carry it in a shoulder holster. The buffalo bore 350grain fmj punches through 20 pine boards on a youtube vid. Really. If we had a true list of every cartridge throughout history that killed a bear we would surely be suprised by dozens of them! P.J. of course be loaded and kept down loaded with .38 Special ammo (modern). The second shot went CLICK. Anyway, Ive had my share of sleepless nights in a tent in Alaska and try to heed to basics keep food well away from camp, cook away from camp, dont camp on trails, avoid cubs like the plague, if approached give ground, etc. A neighbor, 1/2 mile away lost some pheasants to one. When the smoke cleared the bear knew where I was (on the ground) and headed my way. The bear biologist was tracking the animals when I stepped out of the woods and she told me how close we were to the bear. We live in a world that has an exploding human population and dangerous animals are always the losers. A large bore hot load can be a challenge to control and difficult for multiple shots, while something like a 10mm in a good semi-auto allows for powerful rounds and multiple shots rapidly fired on target for many. While mountain lion attacks are rare, it is because mountain lions are not common, and interactions between mountain lions and humans are uncommon. I carried a 454 casull in Alaska heavy l now carry a glock 20 10mm 15 rounds even if I dont stop the bear shooting all the way to the end just makes me fell better. Sun, Jan 29, 2023. . The 4-3-1 rule is a good rule of thumb, however, I agree with the comments about a 10mm. COME AND GET IT! Shot placement . No HPs! Capable yet not-overpowered, accurate and easy-to-control except in aluminum framed 2" snubnose versions, it remains a solid choice for discrete carry and pleasure shooting days at the local target range. My second firearm of choice because it works for two legged predator as well is my Springfield XDM 460 Rowland. Jaguars range in size from about 100lbs up to 300lbs, run at speeds of 50 mph, and bite with a bone-crushing 1,500 PSI. I recently read the account of a man in Oregon who survived a black bear attack. Until you dump a 15 rd mag into some calibrated ballistics gel, hold your amateur and mis-informed comments for all the other mommys wanna bes. From the Noatak to Frazier Lake, Kodiak, Ive seen a lot of bears. Between 3- and 3.5-inch-wide tracks. So dont go shooting just for fun especially on Kodiak. Even if it is based upon a reasonable extrapolation from current self defense doctrine. Its often with me in bear country and has made several trips to Alaska. Pretty cool! Mr. Massaro, it is men like you who make our country and our military great! lever action 44 mag) . For what its worth, bear spray is likely to get you killed in my humble opinion. The third racoons I shot was hit behind the heart lung area with a 7.62x 25 , it flinched from the shot, turned, growled, and continued towards a timbered embankment and possible escape. Equipped with piano wire springs, the wisely designed transfer bar and adjustable sights, I am very confident with this pistol in hand. Mountain lions, also known as pumas or cougars, interact with hundreds of species and play a direct role in balancing various habitats across the state and other parts of the U.S. and when was the last time you saw a wolves, let alone a bear.?????? Though it is illegal under state law to kill a mountain lion to protect a pet, CPW has decided not to press charges. The entire time I was a patrol officer, 5 years, I carried a revolver. Sounds like you have everything covered. This is largely down to a lack of resources in their own habitats. Hell I wish someone would make a wheel gun for the 416 rem mag. Why are you people just bubbling so much is it because you need to say something that means nothen in the real world. with my S&W 500 magnum. No mention here of my favorite back woods carry gun, a 50 cal Desert Eagle. If not, always nice to have to many guns.. After wearing out a few S&W frames in 44mag, I switched to the short barreled Ruger Alaskan in 44mag. Been involved in 2 grizz encounters. landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. rather hungry bears stalking, attacking, and then attempting to eat human beings. Rocky the dog was left with a hole in his head that went "down to his brain" after he bravely defended his . Thanx! Almost no one practices with bear spray and almost no one can get their can to bear (pun intended) and spray within 4-5 seconds. Poisons, like these rodenticides, harm lions. The 357 magnum is able to kill a bear much better then the 9mm and the 38 special even though they actually shoot the same bullets. I had never shot a bear before , so I decided to put it down with a shot to the next. All of these four-legged animals that have attacked humans are in my state: COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. The police standard is not to let a person get closer than 21 feet with a weapon like a knife, club etc with out being engaged. My buddy Marty Groppi who enjoys the famous trout streams of Upstate New York carries a Smith & Wesson Model 29 in the classic .44 Magnum, a combination that will most definitely save your bacon. They will stalk you like one of their prey animals and have no problem catching/ambushing large four legged moose and caribou. I bought Bear Loads in .45 LC and .357 MAG, but they were both hollow points (300 & 180 grains, respectively). He said not really. Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion. For those worried/concerned about the weight of their weapon, I can say this, at my first close encounter along Frazier Lake, I couldnt have told you if my rifle weighed an ounce or 20 lbs! Mountain lion attacks often allow the victims a bit of time to access weapons. Mountain lion attacks on humans, however, are rare in Colorado, with Colorado Parks and Wildlife counting fewer than 20 over the past 30 years. I learned more in this article about wildlife and practical sidearms than any other article to date in thirty-five plus years. However, they also prove a nuisance to local livestock. Hunters must contact a CPW office within 48 hours of a lion . If you choose bear spray as your only alternative more power to you. My mountain weapon is a 458 SOCOM, semi-auto, from a 8in barrel, eotech halo-graphic, green laser and 1000 lumen light, with a 300gr lead tip hollow point. Nothing prepares you for the 700 gr hardcast, but Im counting on the adrenaline to kick in. He didnt know what kind of weapon was used. Lesson learned never keep food for bears in your camp site. He put his mouth directly on top of his head, and I think if the head had been smaller, hed have been picked up.. Like I said before , I wish someone would make a 416 Rem Mag. My wife carries an old Model 60. Oaf, that was funny! A woman was killed by a cougar, in Washington State a couple of weeks ago, while mountain biking. Until its needed. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. My Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt with handloads, 300-grains, 1,200 fps (1,192 to be exact) goes with me on a lot of black bear hunts with hounds. I asked if he was afraid of the Bears. Its light and easy to carry.. SCCY DVG-1 Review. Eventually, Ill get around to getting a .460 Rowland kit and chest holster for my 1911 and start taking that instead. I once was a .460 Rowland fan, too, at one time. Even for dispatching Ok Rambo ! My choice is the 500 S&W. I have two dogs and they said that might provoke the bears. Their large hind legs also make them excellent at sprinting for short distances. Now before we take a look at particular models and calibers, lets get one basic premise out of the way: when the excrement hits the oscillator, any gun is better than no gun. Unless you are an expert hand-gunner with tons of real world experience.. carry a rifle and have the pistol as backup. They are not fun to shoot, not fun to carry. He makes a grizzly look like a cub. The only real downside is there is not a good rifle to go with the 10 mm. FL). Shock Wave or the Tac-12 pistols leave a bigger hole ! This gun is horrible to carry full time when it must be out of site sometimes!! A doe once got a hoof caught in the top of a cyclone fence, near our property. think of anything better to own, carry, keep, and have instantly accessible than a good People living in neighborhoods around Nederland wonder why Colorado Parks and Wildlife can't do more to stop attacks on their pets. Are they prudent, not for me. Hunting and slaughtering are hardly a comparison. I do reload them hot. Any bear is a big, tough critter and to stop them you will need to penetrate and break stuff like big bones or skulls. The yellow color was striking. @1,3000+ FPS, a 255 gr. He saw a seasoned Ranger carry the same rigging and said that was good enough for Him. The 400gr cowboy loads are mild and I could shoot them all day. Its very light and handy to carry. Mountain Lion Foundation Rain, Wind, Snow all those things can and will reduce the effectiveness of Bear Spray much more than they would affect the employment of a firearm. Option to use 45 colt 454 cas and 460 mag. In the end the animals will lose as even the anti-hunting crowd will realize that dangerous animals cannot be tolerated around civilization as there is no room for both humans and dangerous animals or wild animals that destroy crops. I have used the Casull to take a lot of game including several black bears so I understand the terminal ballistics of this cartridge pretty well. I used them for too many years to be so. Our neighbor asked if I would come over and put it down. thanks again from a Liberal Gun Toting Okie! or wherever. Mace or a .45 Colt? Killed a mountain Grizzly but did not get my polar bear. I would take a 357 Magnum with hard cast bullets over a standard 45 Colt round. Published on February 15, 2019 02:47 PM. Best of luck, fortunately it sounds like you really wont be relying on luck.. hall county warrant list; delancey street rehab new mexico; frosty hesson wife brenda; atf agent tased; 3d dirt bike games unblocked; curt doussett birth date; , 2 2020. . Personally, Ive only seen a grizzly bear from the comfortable confines of a vehicle, but that boar in Yellowstone Park made a lasting impression. Incidentally I have 2 500 Smith mags, never carry them in bear country. I carefully googled this story using the locationImpossible to find any story that confirms that what you said id true. Id take the 9mm any day if it was my only 2 choices, loaded with 147 flat nose +P+ from Underwood Ammo. His dad stopped a charging brown with a .500 S&W pistol a few years ago. That accounted for its lethargic behavior when it quietly approached they boy and his cousin near a river in Arizonas Tonto National Forest. CCIs classic .38 Special shot or snake Fly fishing in AK, and knocking around the woods I often carry a stainless charter target bulldog in 44 special. Dating back to 1873, the .45 Colt will provide very impressive terminal ballistics when loaded in a strong, modern handgun. Fortunately the latter emptied his 4 Smith and Wesson Model 66 What to do? The wife and I carry 7.5 Ruger Redhawks in 480 Ruger. where do you come up with this bullshit. (https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf) When a bear is facing you even if you penetrate the meat and skull, the skull is angled flat so the bullet would probably ricochet rather than penetrate. tell me want have you really killed lately. and females' territories can range up to 60 square miles. Not to be the asshole of the crowd, but a Grizzly is an Ursus arctos horribilis as opposed to just the Ursus arctos, or Brown Bear. Regardless, I draw the line at 10mm and 45 Super as my bottom 2 choices in bear country. can a 38 special kill a mountain lionohio state income tax. The .454 Casull is my usual choice as it provides a good balance of power with manageability. As an outdoorsman, I enjoy being afield in all sorts of capacities. Feature Articles, What we can do is provide a framework to understand what average conditions might look like, and whether those are reasonably viable for a shot from the average shooter to harvest a cougar or mountain lion in the fewest number of shots possible, i.e., ethically. If so, what is the problem? When I asked him for his thoughts on carry guns for bear country, Phil related the following: Phil, I have always said that carrying any handgun for bear protection is similar to wearing a life jacket in a boat, or parachute in a plane. Perry can dispatch a coyote with a Ruger LCP you most certainly could do it with .38 Special +p or not and it will also kill a mountain lion. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. The California Department of Fish and Wildlife has granted a number of these in the last week, The Los Angeles Times reported. He saved them both, barely, with his .338 rifle. I am reminded of a survival show that aired a few years ago. reviews, I have a Springsfield 460 Rowland and 400 CarBon for bears and back cup with 357 Mag in a Tarus 7 shoot to stop any bear. I looked at my knife on my hip and quickly decided thst wouldnt work. With the exception of Mr. Shoemaker who has more experience than I will ever even hope to have bigger seems to be better. Between airlines, public transportation, hotels, ferryboats, etc. Suddenly everyone was yelling at Paul not to move and the somewhat lethargic lion placed his jaw on the boys head and put its paw on him. Couple Im friends with have a vacation home in NW Montana(we all live in So. Recoil is managable and porting helps, not like 454 casull or 460 mag, no, let me guess 500 s&w is the only option, the first pistol to come with wheels! Carrying a .38 snubbie in bear country is roughly akin to wearing a sandwich board that reads FREE LUNCH! He very clearly laid out the steps required and when someone should shoot a bear in self defense.. His commentary may still be out there on the web but a quick search did not turn it up.. Of course because political activists have infiltrated Rangers and such.. I read that several times as well. A sidearm is a very smart idea. Self-Defense, This is why I prefer my .460 Roland it has compensator for better follow on second shot. The .45 Colt has long been my favorite cartridge in the Blackhawk. and I usually see a grizzly when I hunt almost within sight of Cody Wy. trunnis goggins wife; can a 38 special kill a mountain lion. took advantage of this for their hike the following day. But these loads would likely destroy an old Peacemaker, or other similar guns. .357, .44 mag, 10mm. bullets would probably only allow one shot, one handed. I took my Colt .45 with a 7 barrel over, to do what needed to be done. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. 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