Dee and Deb, if you are able, can you please let Vonda know about my previous comment? We were in both places for years and said little or nothing. How can leadership send an OPINION to the entire congregation? From what I understand Hybels had a history of handpicking Bible versus to pummel anyone who disagreed with him concerning church doctrine, etc Not surprising. Thats the thing; note the commonality of the golden parachute disembarking in these cases. To me its a faux and phony culture that cant get over itself. tax. We are as busy as they; Not physical tally sheets, but during my time in-country there sure were MENTAL tally sheets used for the One-Upmanship Game. This is MBA stuff. His wife had done nothing wrong . WHAT EVIDENCE? My wife worked for a Fortune 500 and did grad work in the hard sciences, she taught for a Pac12 university, I have taught law in higher ed for 15 years. Salvation: in the ned this in the hands of the One with the higher Pay Grade. Some people, educated people, decent people, never talked. BTW, when I confronted him publicly, his response wasnt, I didnt do it, but You wanted me to. A married man twice my age, I might add, who nobody liked. Dee and Brad, have you read my series about Don Hennessys work? I bet she had help. Was it addressed and ignored by the elders? * Scripture does not discuss it that way. What I see here is a whole lot of wholesale condemnation. He needs nothing, needs none of us, but He loves us and makes us a part of His plan. Even the innocent in Israel lived with the ensuing upheaval. And of course, the crisis management priority hangs over all of this. The focus was wrong and a bit too emphatic for me. Sometimes I wonder if it is not their worst enemy. At which she would perhaps be really smart to think that she could handle it herself without causing trouble in her marriage. Lawrence Krauss is a famous atheist and liberal crusader and, in certain whisper networks, a well-known problem, according to author Peter Aldhous, in his article on *BuzzFeed*. Be an individual. Everyone who is still there from the elders to the lowliest either thinks like this or doesnt dare open their mouth. Ok, So Nancy Ortberg was fondled, hugged, touched. Ive been a christian for many years so I take offense to your allegations. Very doubtful that this model arose magically, unprompted out of Bill Hybels head, anymore than Billy Graham rose to international prominence unaided. Ill assume you mean well and are somewhere back in that stage where youre still denying. Wonder who taught Billy to dress like a leader. https://www.amazon.com/Corporate-Cults-Insidious-All-Consuming-Organization/dp/0814404936. Ambien or the Devil it is always Something/one Elses Fault. If interested, I posted more material, links, analysis, and some leads to Dan Brennans thoughts on anxious egalitarianism, on this article: https://futuristguy.wordpress.com/2018/04/12/some-thoughts-on-supposedly-feminist-men-who-reportedly-abuse-harass-women/. I am quite curious what nonsense what posted now, because what?! You want to know the lack of leadership moment that really stood out to me in Hybels own words? Remember all those times we hung out together and nothing happened? ISBN13: 9780310533719 Release Date: June 1993 Publisher: Zondervan Length: 240 Pages Weight: 0.40 lbs. Hybels, of Barrington, is married to Willow Creek senior pastor and founder Bill Hybels.Lynne Hybels . Jodi Walle, who worked for John Ortberg, has written a note. Shameful! Try as I might, I do not see that sort of response in ScriptureDo not be the disciple with the sword. havent forgotten. I pity you if thats the case. This has been going on for a long time, and he has had much time to process this, and as he said, he has been accountable, at least after he let go of his anger, to the elders. Bill Hybels and Willow Creek, Ravi Zacharias, Steve Timmis and Acts 29, Hillsong New York City pastor Carl Lentz, James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel are just a few of the names I could list. Simul justus et peccator. (Spell check keeps changing it to percolator!). But David and all Israel beginning at Davids own house bore the consequences of the sin. Stop the Nonsense, WCC Trebuchet Club!!!! @ Deborah: So, Ive also read it in the Original Languages. Less excusable is the behavior of the elders after it started coming out. Its the evil person who masquerades as a good person. Just Disgraceful. I have books by Bill Hybels on my shelves, and really thought he was one of the good ones. You bet it will get nasty.. but 4 YEARS went by, even after John Ortberg tried to have the Willow Elders handle this 4 years Nancy Ortberg still didnt speak out. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. He is the founder of the Willow Creek Association and creator of the Global Leadership Summit . I suspect there are nefarious folks who prefer hugging all genders to shaking hands, as hugging males, as well as females, gives them plausible cover when they go for the non-righteous hug with a female (saying, I hug everybody!) Plus, research shows that women (generally) are more influenced by touch, as they have higher releases of oxytocin when hugged than males and even have a more dramatic willingness than men under those circumstances to give someone their money. I went back to my hotel room and cried, not understanding what had just happened. If you arent a hugger, you arent a hugger. Wow!!! (Exod. Not a word. Because TWW doesnt have a tick the box to be notified of future comments, and because my comments seem to go live straight away, I have often felt unconfident that the TWW team or people I have replied to in a comments thread at TWW have noticed my comments. There are evil people who look like good people. 3) Their situation is, as Jack Nicholsons character says in the movie of the same name, As good as it gets.. In 1974 Lynne married Bill Hybels, a youth pastor. Was Hybels intimating that The Ambien made me do it? I have plenty of people whod vouch that Im often a royal pain in the keester, that I shoot from the hip, that I get downright angry, often in an ungodly way, when dealing with bullies, especially religious bullies, youd probably find some whod call me a contentious man, but I dont think youd find one of them whod call me a liar, a sleazy operator, a shifty lawyer type. Millions of dollars all. Honestly, there is a lot of gossip here and on other social media about all this. The comments we disallow often have to do with abuse of victims along with some other things. The way it worked with all of these people is very similar to the way it worked with us. We notice them! @ okrapod: This makes my blood boil. Where is the scribe? has been proclaimed against the Devil and his Witches. Or, for instance, a pastor may be forever fishing to see what his parishioners know as to the latest church scandal, etc., without the trusting individuals ever even know this is taking place. It alarmed me to learn that Nancy Ortberg was also the subject of Bill Hybels' unwanted attention and actions. Ive known Sociopaths who could look you right in the eye and Lie with total open-eyed, butter-wouldnt-melt-in-their-mouth Sincerity. And why on earth is this even a discussion? But, visa-a-vis Nancys testimony, if things really were so bad and uncomfortable in that hotel room, why the following admittance: On a subsequent conference trip to Hawaii, I went running with Bill and he struck up a conversation about the amnesiac side effects of Ambien. Excuse me? Thats how this tends to work. So sad that we are talking about this within the context of the pulpit! This will sound horrible to some but I never understood the overall hug culture. People invest a lot of themselves into their celebrity pastors. I stood up and walked out. When youre the victim of something creepy, such as abuse, suggestive sexual behavior or private narcissistic rage or whatever ugly thing from a pastor who holds himself up as a paragon of virtue, people often feel embarrassed at having been involved in it, even if they had nothing to do with the wrongful actions. @ Barbara Roberts: Things add up all too well, sadly. I underestimated their ability to constantly reinvent themselves to keep the money flowing. That is a huge red flag. These things seem like nitpicking until you have more information. Thats how they get by with it. Ive been silently wondering the same. That said, I am still very thankful for the work of Willow Creek. YOU CANT PROVE A THING!!!!!. The Church is built on Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit, not on them. Read Acts 4 and 5. @ dee: @ Nancy2 (aka Kevlar): Ephesians 4:2 4 YEARS went by that John Ortberg learned about this issue Yes, Nancy may have not been sure when she had her experience.. with Bill in the hotel room. An honest person has nothing to hide and everything to gain and will save things because he is safe in the knowledge that evidence will only prove his innocence. A hint here, a casual comment there, Twenty Chess Moves in Advance. And my understanding is that it applies to both criminal cases and civil lawsuits, and in any regulatory actions (like IRS or state Attorney General investigations of corporations). What if the Elders had sent Hybels home on a sabbatical while they allowed for a truly independent investigation 5 years ago? I now see how this happened for years, and I never saw it. Being gracious, forbearing people who do not want to hold our pastor to the standard of perfection, we persuade ourselves that we misread the situation, misunderstood the words, are making too big a deal of silly things, and so on. I know of one drawing up plans for an old fashioned Chapel complete with a steeple to put on their campus for those who prefer smaller churches. Please do some reading on sex abuse and harassment. Why? I am an infrequent commenter here, but have been following the WW for years. Note how often those being accused are the old dogs, gone or soon to be gone from the public eye anyway. I outlined above the typical reasons people dont mention uncomfortable incidents with someone they trust or admire. @ AbuseCrusher: That statement should never have been sent out and hasnt been corrected to this day! Read the Bible Dee. Because it was not entirely clear what happened. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. But I believe the women who have been abused by Bill Hybels are telling the truth. You know, Bill Hybels for two decades or more promoted himself as the one with a system that would revolutionize the church and make it relevant. I mean, it makes for good gossip too. It is now obvious to me why Ortberg not only believed the accounts of the other victims but why she advocated for them. They often wonder, Did that really just happen? What really just happened? Am I interpreting that correctly? How should I interpret it? etc., etc.. predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. It has been posted several times. Some people left, but our church has been transformed. And us adults have to learn not to be so easily snookered by evil experts masquerading as wonderful people and pass red flags along to children. He got GAWD on his side Willow Creek does not need Bill Hybels. And since Peter came up in another reply of yours along with a list of credentials with almost everything but being a Pharisee of the Pharisees lets think of his credentials by the time Paul met up with him in Anotich. predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. People you work with? If the 21st century church had the same healthy respect for a literal hell that the 1st century church had, we might behave differently in and out of church including church leaders! A year later they started Willow Creek Community Church. Ruth Haley Barton, formerly of Willow Creek and trained at the very contemplative Shalem Institute for Spiritual Formation in Washington D.C., wrote Invitation to Solitude and Silence, and teaches contemplative prayer through her Transforming Center. Jesus is our model of leadership. Or is this site simply about wholesale condemnation. If I felt uncomfortable I removed myself from the situation and spoke up. You can do a lot more damage with one Suggestion in the right place than a dozen Fireballs. 30 seconds, if it was really that long, is a very long time for a hug. Anyone who would reject Jesus Christ as his/her savior because of this (or any) scandal was not saved in the first place. Max, darn! Sam Powell and Jeff Crippen who are a pastor who *get it* about abuse. Refuse to settle for eloquent lechers. Bill Hybels got married to Lynne in 1974. Her courage will be an inspiration many others. There are many Gods or gods. Like the invitation sent out to for the Family Meetings, and the actual meetings themselves. Tonight we wept in sadness for all the people closely associated with this story, yes, even for Bill and Lynn and for their adult children. Redemption is just that; a snatching away from utter separation from God and a second chance-sometimes a chance to bring down the idolatrous temple of a strange god and die in the process while you stand there blind and in shackles-but restored by God. It may not be what everyone wants, even if it is innocent. https://jodiwalle.com/openlettertojohnortberg. Please stop reporting about Jodis letter. If it is seeing a good friend after a long time, a family member, etc, understandable. Yep. Nigerian pop song about a con man. It is when people naively do not realize that everyone has an agenda, not to be cynical, that they fail to ask important questions and perform essential (to them!) Weve heard it before Drugs made me do it Alcohol made me do it My wife made me do it etc. My NPD/Sociopath brother once set up a long con against our stepmother, grooming ally after ally FOR SEVERAL YEARS in his TRVTH! If he did nothing wrong, he wouldnt have done it unless you really buy *he did this to save the church* meme. The information given was half-truths and from the very first email sent out from the elderslacking wisdom and discernment. Good point. Other WCC members are posting this letter on fb. Rather, I think it is their twisted view of both God and humanity. People have been had. Western Christians seem to view hell as a location whereas Eastern Christians seem to view it as a state of being. There were some very attractive female students. Lets go a little deeper. I recognized something was wrong with that, but for various reasons, didnt quite make the connection. I read it Daily and Journal too. But is that truthful? Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. Davids repentance was a magnificent example of repentance. But we are not talking about the secular world. publishers suspend publication of books by megachurch pastor Hybels. Go back to JBs April 16 comment. The plastic fish on the car in the church parking lot purchased at the church gift store. So, if we are all prone to sin, how can anyone come to the faith according to your paradigm? Jesus Christ is the assessory. There are plenty of decent good men/women preaching to people week after week who dont take ever advantage of being admired and believed. is lynne hybels still married to bill. Alcohol made me do it (Perry Nobel) However, for people like those profiled on this site who have fallen short in protecting those under their charge (say, by covering ups their own misdeeds and/or crimes or those of others) to reemerge in a place where they again wish to wield spiritual authority (by starting another ministry (sic) in which they assume spiritual leadership or selling books advising sheep on spiritual matters seeking funding from said sheep in each case) is massively troubling. It would seem the as yet unnamed individual, reported to have had an affair, has legal claim against multiple parties. He then shared unfiltered thoughts about me, describing in great detail specific parts of my body he liked, and said he thought I was effusive, sexy and had great candor, mentioned what a promising leader I was, and he said. Interesting how you get it, but those in high places do not. Only those who walk in darkness need to hide what they are doing. May 28, 2021 45 Dislike Share Benjamin Ady 56 subscribers At Willow Creek South Barrington's Congregational Meeting May 2021, with about 200 Core Committed members present, Senior pastor Dave. Remember Bill hybels stepped down. So much for their Christian wittiness, huh? He told me to sit down and put my feet up. The term sometimes used is secure email. Ummm-not exactly. Plus overtones of the old attorneys way to defend against a rape charge: Discredit the Victim making the accusation. I dont know that I qualify in your estimation as a person of substance, but Ive been a reader/commenter on this blog for 10 years and have seen Law Profs post for a number of years and know some of his background. Jesus takes care of the harvest. People handle things. (Currently deemed questionable at best.). !) called Give Me That Christian Side Hug went near-viral. When youre the victim of something creepy, such as abuse, suggestive sexual behavior or private narcissistic rage or whatever ugly thing from a pastor who holds himself up as a paragon of virtue, people often feel embarrassed at having been involved in it, even if they had nothing to do with the wrongful actions. 2) Its the cost of doing business as a very large or successful church Who are we to say which it is when somebody lances a boil and the pus drains out; but to continue the analogy the boil existed before the surgeons knife got anywhere near it. Wherever my story takes me, however dark and difficult the theme, there is always some hope and redemption, not because readers like happy endings, but because I am an optimist at heart. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+5&version=NIV, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. I have yet to ask these people what they think of all this. Some more publicly than others. WC is Hybels no matter how much they protest. Surely someone from the WCC trebuchet club could have found somebody better at weaving a tale. Of course not. The comments from some in the WCC Trebuchet Club has brought this home to me. Billy Graham, doing the work of an evangelist, told people the good news. That is a mistake. What I see here is a whole lot of wholesale condemnation. From all angles. Has anyone complained about inappropriate behavior from John Ortberg? Your boss? Betrayal, trust, etc. My first international trip with Willow Creek as a staff member was to Tasmania. Get this straight. Every believer has a unique calling. Two publishers suspend publication of books by megachurch pastor Hybels in wake of misconduct allegations Tyndale House Publishers InterVarsity Press (Chicago Tribune). They know exactly how to size people up, how to take advantage of their needs, insecurities, weaknesses, etc. Things are starting to get ugly. These have what I think are some significant parallels from which to consider some larger patterns. Should Christians be carrying around tally sheets-How many did I lead to Christ this week? Stunned, I finally slipped my arms up between us and pushed him away. Thanks Clockwork Angel! The founding couple died, and the board got rid of those naughty kids and grandkids. Dee, my Sister Nancy Beach sent me this today. Yet, the faith grew in the midst of these awful circumstances. Much Prayer as God makes all things clear. Bye! Medical records are handled in this fashion. At CertainPublicSchool kids have been caught in the rest room actually having sex as well as dosing on drugs. (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) 3434 pant, right? Its the attempt by pastors to do life together and facilitate relationship-building which will then hopefully anchor the visitor to the church and reduce dropouts and increase retention rates. Good night!!! Give, and it will be given to you. Sit under Jesus Christs leadership in the future. You tell your kids That was wrong. Why is it people cannot just go to work,college, etc, without the social safety net of artificial group belonging? Wild!!! Now, you should go back and read about victims and try to learn why this open letter hurts real victims. : . An accusation could hurt the church, the members and even Christianity. He is the founding and former senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Illinois, one of the most attended churches in North America, with an average attendance of nearly 24,000 as of late 2018. A high five or handshake can do the same. You summed up my whole opinion of this mess. Either way, and knowing or assuming all this to be accurate, why would any man have his hands on women in ways that are open to suspicion if they are trying to stay out of trouble, either real or unjustly so accused? For example, I have no problem with a man eating dinner in a public restaurant with a woman who is not his wife . We have some good news to give to the world. To TWW regulars: I am becoming concerned that there will be a full court press by some people. Pam Orr and the previous elder (who was on the board as an HR consultant, today he is a Pastor at a Willow Satellite church) should RESIGN 1st. This is largely Christianese. So much emphasis on good works at home & abroad, what about treating your brothers & sisters in leadership with respect that comes from a relationship w/ Christ. My working hypothesis is that any man intent on seduction of women through grooming them for emotional intimacy and/or sexual involvement will sow in whatever field hes in and will also create or develop the platform that makes it possible to keep the flow of victims going. Ummmmm Brad. That statement should never have been sent out and hasnt been corrected to this day! She uses grooming quite cleverly. As for BIll HybelsI have not judged his salvation. Then the man of God acts as if nothing happened.. Serving whom? We would have food, beverages, snacks, etc. But at church with people you see week after week? Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. That is where I had to start over. Dr George Simon Jr a clinical psychologist and writes about character disorder, manipulative personalities and malignant narcissism. I know this because I have experienced it myself. I am disappointed at the congregation who gave the standing ovations but they havent been told all the facts. One has nothing to do with the other. So, why were Hybels emails so important that they had to be deleted? The Eurythmics. With the way some are acting, they mimic Hybels anger and vindictiveness rather than Christ. It just did not need to be a science or a manufactured event. Scapegoats? Working our works out of view, And to think that Willow Creek notables have been hanging out with him! That should be shut down with extreme prejudicepun definitely intended. And those who go on to attack the victims are generally clueless as to what the bible actually teaches. Jodi may want to keep her resume refreshed. Is that structure really the best way to know Christ? No!! There is ignorance going on but you may be pointing in the wrong direction. Sigh. Some will sadly never make the decision to follow Christ. Was it addressed and ignored by the elders? @ Erp: Some of how he came across might also be that to some extent, he too has been a victim of at least some lies and misconstrued intentions. And people are actually saying Hybels being a champion of women was under false pretenses, for Sex? Statement removes all doubt, in my opinion, regarding serious sexual sin and leadership issues at Willow Creek Community Church as it comes to Bill Hybels. Little children they say do not like to be hugged by the old people so I dont do it. You will be swamped with Williow Creek and Bill Hybels telling us how to and their morality. People are saved to church. Assuming that Ms. Walle isnt lying whatever her tone or motives Ortberg could go first and model real manhood by addressing her claims directly, owning what is true, and asking for forgiveness, as warranted. The church is doing fine. Make an Example of one, and a hundred will fall right into line, bleating praises. Yep and the email deal reminds me of someone else. I believe God will welcome Bill into heaven with open arms for the positive work he has done. They did exactly what most ministry people do. is lynne hybels still married to bill. Why? But your iniquities have built barriers between you and your God, and your sins have made Him hide His face from you so that He does not listen. (Isaiah 59:1-2). @ okrapod: Electronic medical records are a good example of confidentiality in action. . When this discovery of improper behavior was taken to the senior pastor he aparrently refused to listen. I dont know if that all makes sense. Is this a ruse to further that idea? I know. How many people do you need to hurt with your judgement and accusations before it is enough? https://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2018/04/12/resource-bibliography-on-willow-creek-church-situation-and-bill-hybels-reported-misconduct/. Put it in context and think about such a convo. free. Terrible, terrible thing. Church people who want to do that with her at this point are way off base. I dont see this issue is white or black hats. Founding and Senior Pastor Bill Hybels preaches during a service at Willow Creek Community Church on Jan. 13, 2018, in South Barrington . unteachable. Interesting, as it goes after comments (he said bad words) and some situations, offering a perspective, all engineered to shape the perspective regarding Hybels. My pray time this morning brought me directly to this passage in Luke Chapter 6 vs 37-42. plus Ive read very wise authors like: Don Hennessy an relationship counselor in Ireland who has worked for decades in the field of domestic abuse. I truly hope that WCC reexamines who they are. I get what you are trying to do and youre very good at it. I mean, one post here put Hybels name next to Weinstiens. There are no winners here. It legitimately creates automatic suspicion, and potential legal woes. Right. Very sad. . We made sure I would not be placed in a situation like that again. It comes out. August 7, 2018. Oh but us Little Folk, we, Wailing Wall-Satanic Ritual? This fact is well known to those who are around sexual abuse/misconduct situations. I have been reading sex abuse stories for 9 years. @ Lea: Fine, however, increased accountability comes with this. There is nothing wrong with this picture, this is the way it happens. I have heard sermons on the side hug. Association of Related Churches Our job is to call. Posted travelpro skywalk vs maxlite. Wife Bill Hybels married his wife in 1974 when Bill was a youth pastor. That was Pauls charge to Timothy. Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. I have other views about resigning rock star pastors but wont go into it now. I say we are. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: This is a serious question we all need to ask ourselves about our own churches. The task is to not establish and maintain environments where such people can abuse without danger of being held accountable. ) (John 18:10 NIV). RE got to talking about guys grabbing a boobie feel with side hugs; she thinks it is pretty ubiquitous in the male population. Yes, we left HBC ourselves. Which God/god Bill ? But then, Im just The Crazy Kid, and hes always been the Sweet Little Angel. Love That Lasts book. And what exactly do you think I can do about it at this point? Married: Spouse: Lynne Hybels (m. 1974) Son/Daughter: Yes (Shauna Niequist and Todd Hybels) Earning: $95,000 . The couple was hitched in 1974. Too many missed opportunities to do the right thing. (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) These people have patience for the long con. So just what is romance? toward a fellow parishioner or perhaps esteemed clergyman?). Of course, if theres some hidden motive of those speaking out, thats one thing, but as has been said, this is all in the process of getting out after many questions have been raised about what was or wasnt done with previous accountability procedures (emails, board meetings, etc.). No one walks away unascathed. manner, outline your thinking and why you believe it to be true. You are now in permanent moderation. Or they adapted. I definitely have pictures of my cat as a kid dressed up in doll clothes looking not super happy. Is it not I, the LORD? It is in the section entitled, An inquiry begins, about halfway down the page. I see this is a crucial issue, and I appreciate that Dee has put it forward for consideration in abuse survivor communities. ", © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. Publishers are pulling back for a reason. 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