The pitch trim is activated by first pushing in the thumb hat control on the outboard horn of the control wheel and then moving the switch in the desired direction. WebThe pilot said he was flying the RNAV GPS runway 36 approach in 3 miles visibility and that the wind was from 070 at 9 knots. Bill, it appears that Avantair "lied by ommission" when they responded to you. I followed the start procedure with one eye as I did this and observed Villi checking the power lever at idle, switching on the fuel pump, and setting the start switch to start. At 13 percent Ng, he moved the condition lever to ground idle with the starter switch shut off at 40 percent Ng and the power lever to flight idle. I love the plane and at first the service was fine. If range is the mission, getting the Avanti up to FL410 and cruising about 300 KTAS will yield a near-1,500 nautical mile range while still cruising as fast as the competition. At 10:30 I was contacted and told that my flight had been cancelled, and that they would be looking at both charter and commercial flights at their expense. WebThis rare Piaggio P-180 Avanti is an Italien executive transport aircraft with twin turboprop engines mounted in pusher configuration. Passenger oxygen deploys at 13,000 feet. But it was not his fault that it. Yes, the Captain was terminated and we lost a good pilot. We exited left at the end, and Lorenzo cleaned the aircraft up as I got my last chance to handle the Avanti Evo while we taxied back toward the ramp. Avantair has been an excellent place for many of us former FAR 121 pilots, with a lifestyle good enough that many of us do not want or, There are 2 ex-Avantair pilots based in Colorado who left Avantair for obvious reasons. The price of the latest Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO is US $ 7.7 Million. It pulled the concept off. Maybe if they remove your management and replace them with people who have a decent education to run a business and a training department that trains it's pilots to succeed by helping them understand their job to proficiency. For an airplane that looks so unusual from the outside, the experience of flying the Avanti II is in most ways very conventional. During the descent, we briefed for some stalls, the handling qualities of which Villi was obviously keen to show me. As far as the crew that experienced the elevator loss, now you will hear the rest of the story.. Due to low ceilings at the destination airport, the crew diverted to the alternate, SAN. The seats are finished in black leather with the owners initials embossed into the headrest and with a cabin height of 5.74 ft, it is comfortable to move around the full length. They offered to find me a charter at MY EXPENSE, which just isn't right. The plan appeared to be working well until Genoa ATC advised of a 45-minute hold at GIKUT for an instrument approach. It has delivered nearly 200. Aircraft Owners & Pilots Association Find it free on the store, Powerplants / (2) 850-shp Pratt & Whitney They offered to find me a charter at MY expense but the quote was outrageously expensive. Your management sucks! Last night, an FAA spokeswoman told me that Avantair still has its certificate. The Nov. 16, 2011 engine failure and emergency landing at Flint, MI and veering off the runway and flipping on its back (all 4 occupants suffered minor injuries) shows pilot poor skills for sure and serious concern about engine maintenance. Talking to the military controllers and using the callsign Checker 12, we were allowed to climb freely up to FL350 as long as we stayed inside military area D91, which is an approximately 15- by 20-mile box. The second records shows a Piaggio P-180 As with many airfields in this part of the world, terrain is a complicating factor. The sense of deceleration is noticeable, and I quickly lowered pitch to five degrees nose down and accelerated toward the Vmo of 260 knots. Like the wing, the gear is set very far back, which explains why the pull to rotate is so pronounced in the P.180. The effect is a view that changes substantially as you point the nose up or down in various phases of flight. In a jet this would have resulted in a go-around from 10 miles out. Everyone at Owner Services couldn't have been nicer and the vast majority of the pilots were courteous and very professional, and I had zero complaints with them. In ground idle and with power pulled back to idle, the airplane still has a tendency, like many turboprops, to get going too fast, so you need to use beta to keep things slowed down. He descended to 1,000 feet to position for a visual arrival to Runway 10 with a touch-and-go. Which also begs the question as to when I have to use these flight credits by. The windshield is deep and sharply raked back, which along with the ventral delta fins, perhaps alludes to the shared Learjet origin from the 1980s. A most serious maintenance error especially since the elevator installation work would have required a RII type (double) inspection. Pete Bedell is a pilot for a major airline and co-owner of a Cessna 172M and Beechcraft Baron D55. : EASA.A.059 Issue: 07 Date: 11 October 2012 1. a) Type P.180 b) Variant Avanti 2. As we approached this, Lorenzo increased the back pressure and stopped trimming at 1.5 times the stall speed. .intend to return to the 121 world. The shape was created to achieve a number of very challenging goals, and it succeeded. A friend owns a Luciano Luffarelli, Piaggio Aerospaces head of external communication and institutional affairs, invited AIN to fly the Evo, and the test aircraft, Alpha Sierra Golf, was flown in from Genoa by Lorenzo Villi, head of flight operations. One thats lacking is the single FMS. AOPA Members DO more LEARN more SAVE more - Get MORE out of being a pilot -. Well, pretty much all sold out. We rotated at 105 knots, which is pretty darned fast for a turboprop, using about half of the available 7,000 feet at KDTO. With all of these maitenence issues and issues regarding fudging pilot hours so they would be legal is scary. Deviating from ICAO-compliant English, the controller told us, Piste libre before we lined up and discussed the departure. The airplane has been constantly improved over the past decade, with new interiors, higher max takeoff weight, higher Vmo and avionics upgrades galore. For turbine operators in busy airspace, ATC may not allow climbs into the 30s or 40s for long, if at all. FlightAware General. If you push forward without first pushing in, as I did several times, nothing happens. Any altimeter setting mismatch is shown by a yellow line beneath the altimeter setting on the PFD, and the pressurized cabin is set to climb at 300 fpm. It's because they MUST do it. WebAt approximately the same time, the Piaggio P.180 received a traffic advisory. I wont get into the details of it here, but suffice it to say Grant was busy with taking notes as I flew the airplane. There are ten wholly owned Avanti EVOs in operation worldwide, according to JETNET. I still can't believe they are not making this issue public. Cabin dimensions are spacious compared to a Beechcraft King Air and more in line with a midsize jet. This buffet, although it feels like a stick shaker through the column, is all aerodynamic from the forward wing and serves as an excellent stall warning. P180 Avanti Pressurization System. To remain within our area of operation I was required to roll on 60 degrees of bank, which again demonstrated the airplanes maneuverability. My friend, the Captain, requested the FO remain with the passengers, who continued their verbal tirade as the Captain DID complete a postflight, although abbreviated under duress. Avantair and the FAA may call it voluntary, but it's all semantics. He then lowered the seat and sat down. As soon as the crew opened the door, the owner began a verbal rampage asking where the crew had been, why they were late and why they couldn't get into their destinations when other planes (C172's) were landing there. Let me be clear here and confirm that they are just rumors. Of course, with higher operating weights you wont be able to carry as much fuel or, hence, get as much range, though the truth is that most flights in a 400-knot airplane are less than 1,000 nm anyway, and with a thousand-mile range as the target, you can liberally load the P.180. With regard to maintenance all you need to do is get an engineer to do you monthly checks and for the big ones send it to Dusseldorf. My last four years have been spent flying equipment with fly-by-wire controls and the Avantis flying controls are conventionally connected via cables, pulleys, push pull rods, and bell cranks. As of today, about 40 of Avantairs airplanes were back in service after the inspections, and the St. Petersburg, Fla.-based company expects to have its entire fleet flying again by Thursday. This kind of range makes the P.180 a great bet as a regional airplane or one thats based in the Midwest. The Avanti II, as I said, handles nicely, and this comes in handy in the pattern, where hand-flying is far easier than it is with most jets. Villi and I then headed to Genoa for some instrument approaches. That all changed in 2003 when Avantair put the design thoroughly on the map in the United States as a successful fractional-ownership provider of Avantis. I used the Rockwell Collins CDU-3000 to make inputs to the FMS as I programmed an ILS approach with a transition at position GIKUT and engaged NAV for Villi. We know this is an extremely difficult period for our loyal employees and frustrating to our devoted owners, said Mr. Santo. The engines have pneumatic boots on the intake combining with an engine particle deviator door to avoid ice entering the engine core and a warm bleed air supply to the engine oil cooler intake. The seat is raised or lowered with a lever outboard to provide a view that should just about look down onto the top of the glareshield. If it's not currently installed, click here to download. While things have been dreary throughout the aviation industry for the past 5 years, Avantair was the only fractional airline that did not furlough or terminate pilots due to staffing reductions. The difference between the two, they say, is that the forward wing, while a lifting surface, is not a controllable one. Thank you! This is a place worth fighting for and we will hope for the best. If you feel this information is incomplete or incorrect, you can. Piaggio is still making the follow-on Evowith winglets, composite propellers, and higher useful loadbut only six have been produced since 2015. Piaggios appearance at the Singapore Airshow in February lifted hopes somewhat that the design can survive. Oh, and "coincidentally" perhaps, I got an email request for some documents that they were missing from my file yesterday, which I sent over. Villi switched on the V-bar flight directors on the PFD of the Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21 flight instruments, selected flight level change (FLC), and synchronized the heading with a button push on the FGP on the glareshield. Bill, I appreciate the info and your honest evaluation. On Saturday, fractional provider Avantair grounded its entire fleet of about 60 Piaggio Avanti twin turboprops to conduct a comprehensive examination of all maintenance records and aircraft. According to industry sources, the action stemmed from an incident earlier this year in which an Avantair Avanti shed an elevator in flight. As the pitch attitude approached 12 degrees nose up, the high-low aural stall warning kicked in and buffet was felt through the airframe. They have a history of lying. In the process it doesnt hurt one bit that the Avanti II just so happens to be one of the sleekest and most beautiful airplanes ever built. Chad, Being a turboprop, however, it uses a fraction of the fuel jets would use. So last saturday I was scheduled to fly from Dallas to Las Vegas at noon. So to Don, you dont happen to live in Vegas do you? CLEARWATER, Fla. October 25, 2012 Avantair, Inc. (OTCBB: AAIR), today announced the company is continuing to stand down operations and engaging top aviation experts to help complete a thorough examination of its fleet of nearly 60 Piaggio Avanti aircraft, and a comprehensive review of records and supporting maintenance documentation. Had this been a 121 flight, the Captain could have had the passengers detained for interfering with a flight crew and stomping out on the supposedly "secured" ramp, but this isn't 121. The use of alloys instead of composites was a purposeful choice for Piaggio Aero, which certified the airplane more than 20 years ago at a time when there were few successful composite models and sheet metal seemed to augur a shorter approval program than plastics did. Villi led a thorough guided tour of the outside of the airplane and explained all of its many unique features. Slightly heavy control forces in roll assisted me in flying this accurately. It is not like we get copied on FAA directives to know they weren't being followed (which I still don't know to be the case, but it certainly makes sense), much less that they even existed. At FL380, you can expect 380 KTAS on 600 pounds per hour in an Avanti II. https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2012-10-23/avantair-grounds-entire-fleet-safety-checks, It was ground the fleet for inspection or get shutdown my the FAA. WebTo order vehicle records online, you will need to: Have a permissible use for the information if purchasing records other than your own; Select Online Services; Under Additional He was a good guide to have for my first flight in the airplane. Once level, we were rewarded with what was nearly the top speed of the P.180, which was consistently 395 knots bumping up to that magical 400-knot figure on a couple of occasions, those figures at around 800 pounds per hour total. The EVO is the latest variant, which hosts a variety of new He comes home so exhausted and disappointed to the point he's just plain depressed, He loves flying. This story is already out of date, as of today, 10/25/12, the entire is fleet is grounded for the foreseeable future. The approach speeds are very fast by turboprop standards. The release I posted above came directly from Avantair media relations. If not pilots for a direct competitor that would benefit from a VNR no longer there, I would guess that they might be disgruntled former employees filtered out by VNR's well-known tough training program. But with a main cabin height of 69 inches, its easy to move about. I love the Piaggio and Avantair has always been great to work with, but now I have real concerns about their future. How do I get out of my lease and is there an opportunity for owners to get together to take action? I am disappointed that there has been no communication out to the owners about this grounding and if you go to their website it doesn't mention anything and it looks like business as usual. If anyone has any insight please share it. I am a fractional owner and the first I heard about this grounding was at 11pm last night when they sent me an email saying my flight for this morning was cancelled. We are confident we are laying the groundwork necessary to offer outstanding service and reliability going forward.. To begin, VNR has been a great place to work for many furloughed and retired former airline pilots. Stylish use of mirrors, six good-size windows on either side, and use of light colors ensure the cabin has a roomy feel. We are grateful for their understanding and patience as we work through this important process. On Saturday, fractional provider Avantair grounded its entire fleet of about 60 Piaggio Avanti twin turboprops to conduct a comprehensive examination of all Criminal Records include Lansing arrests, arrest warrants, search warrants, Avantair and the Avanti have tremendous potential, if we make it. It was spot on. When I did, I asked about why I was paying for it, and was told "Well we usually do, but this time we were instructed otherwise.". WebFlightSafety offers the only formal pilot and maintenance training programs available for the Piaggio P.180 Avanti, the Avanti II and the Avanti EVO. Thanks guys, Once there, I found the cockpit comfortable. As a result, the engine management chores on the P.180 are more complicated than those in todays fadec-equipped light jets. We leveled off at FL350 19 minutes after takeoff, I left the torque at 75 percent, and allowed the Avanti to accelerate to Mach 0.64 with an indicated airspeed of 216 knots and a TAS of 373 knots. Like the Starship, the Piaggio Avanti features a canard and rear-mounted engines. But the Avanti is made mostly of aluminum, not composites. It weighs thousands of pounds less than the Starship and is about 60 m.p.h. faster. ^ Martin, Ed (29 October 1989). He sighted the runway at 50 ft above the missed approach point. On climb-out, especially given the steep angle of attack of the impressive-climbing P.180, its hard to see much out front at all. You fly final at around 120 knots; when you pull back on the power as you land, the nose rises slightly, the mains touch, and you relax back pressure and prepare to get stopped, a job that is greatly aided by big carbon brakes and extremely effective prop braking. My friend, the Captain, requested the FO remain with the passengers, who continued their verbal tirade as the Captain DID complete a postflight, although abbreviated under duress. Arriving at the FBO there, the crew were shocked to find the owner and his colleague outside the FBO, on the ramp, unsupervised, waiting for the aircraft to arrive. http://www.avantair.com/filings.html. Management is out for their gain and don't care for the customers, after all it is the customers who legally own the airplanes, not the company. WebAs the factory-authorized training provider for Piaggio Aeros P.180 Avanti, Avanti II and Avanti EVO models, FlightSafety has created in-depth, type-specific programs to ensure that pilots and maintenance technicians of Piaggio Aero aircraft are equipped with the latest in safety training. At FL350, the speed remained stable even with back pressure applied to maintain altitude, and the aircraft was easy to control. Villi started the starboard Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-66B as I settled in and set up my voice recording device and GoPro camera connected via a splitter cable to my headset. In reality, the P.180 is a fast, sophisticated, high-flying airplane that requires the same kinds of skills and training as any single-pilot business jet. With the stick fully back, we reached 100 knots indicated but once again, as I released the back pressure and smoothly applied power, we recovered. Grant handled the radio tuning. Perhaps its greatest asset is being the worlds most eco-friendly, twin-turbine business aircraft. ^ Goyer, Robert (19 April 2012). "Piaggio P.180 Avanti II". Flying. Archived from the original on 9 June 2017. Retrieved 19 June 2017. Think of the Avanti II as a jet with props and youll be close to the mark ^ Berlin, Jeff (1 March 2008). 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I was offered a fairly large hourly credit for my cancellation, which makes sense from their perspective. We took up a westerly heading for our return to Villanova. Again, the landing flare was very slight, and on touchdown, Lorenzo took control, selected beta on the props and we smoothly decelerated with plenty of runway remaining. We called for taxi instructions from Villanovas flight information service, The Avanti II gets its best range figures, up around 1,500 nm, at higher altitudes and lower fuel burns, and Grant told me that the range is real, commenting that Max range / 1,470 nm. Had Chuck Yeager and Sully Sullenburger, himself, flown the aircraft, the result would have been the same. Turboprops behave in certain ways, and jets in other ways, but the Avanti II is a true hybrid, a product that blends the best traits from two very different airplane categories to arrive at some third niche, which at present it occupies by itself. Piaggios home airfield is surrounded by terrain, and the approach is offset from the inbound course. Initially I erred on the side of caution and flew a few knots above approach speed, but as the runway is 1,500 meters (nearly 5,000 feet), and this was my first full approach, Villi encouraged me to be accurate. Its a great formula. The instrument is a dual-purpose gauge showing both torque and interstage turbine temperature (ITT), Tq shown by a green arrow and ITT by a line. The shape, youll see, is not simply for show, though ironically it shows very nicely. The plan for my flight was to climb to 30,000 up to the Wichita VOR to do something Id never done before, an RVSM check. The unique rear mounted turboprop engines makes the Avanti instantly recognisable. Luckily it was 2007 and we sold it just before the crash. But this further action is necessary to ensure every aspect of our operation will allow us to reach the next level of safety and performance and exceed the highest industry standard, said Steven Santo, Avantair CEO. 36 dated 11 April 2019 to the P.180 Avanti Pilot's Operating Handbook and AFM (Report 6591). At 73 inches across, the width allows for great shoulder room, easy entry though the airstair door and a very comfy hard-door lavatory. Best for: Superior speed When Italys leading aerospace manufacturing company released the Piaggio Avanti EVO, they delivered on three key business demands: speed, comfort, and cost-effectiveness.Piaggio Aerospace blended the very best in Italian design with superb craftsmanship to create a high-performance aircraft that not only turns The fuselage, wings, tail and forward wing of the airplane are metal, though admittedly metal that has been shaped and smoothed in a way that makes a compound curve look like childs play. Now I find out this has been an issue for several days but they have not sent out any communications to the owners mentioning this issue, nor is it mentioned on their website. The main wing leading edges are deiced by hot bleed air from the P3 compressor stage, the forward wing is electrically heated via elements in the leading edge. The Avanti EVO is the fastest turboprop available currently. In flight, the Avanti handles much like its competition, but the jet-like takeoff and landing speeds, lack of FADEC, narrow gear track, twitchy electric steering, and grabby carbon brakes combine to make the airplane more of a handful than your run-of-the-mill King Air or Cessna Conquest. Of course we do. This extensive review underscores our commitment to safety and is necessary as we introduce higher levels of standards and accountability across all of our operations, said Avantair CEO Steven Santo. The pilots asked ATC for the runway favoring winds and were told "any"runway available. The anhedral of the forward wing ensures there is no aerodynamic interference with the engine intakes and assists in stall handling. Where the two designs are in accord is that they are both largely stall proof. The P180s have a lot of maintenance issues because they are flown to airliner annual times when the planes were only made for a few hundred hours a year with private owners. I can't speak for the maintenance personnel involved in this, but I know that the pilot and co-pilot were both fired for failure to perform a pre-flight check. Now it will be impossible, since I cant even book my last few trips of the year, because I have no idea if we will be flying. 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